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IT is buc ignorance , if any man findc ic 
ftrangc that the ihteof Rcligon (cfpeci- 
ally in thcday^s of peace) ihouldbccx- 
ercifcd and troubled with controvcraes ;, 
for as it is the condition of the Church aiili- 
rant to be ever under triallsjfo it commcch/ , * .« 
to paflc that when the fiery triall of pertecu- ' ' "* ^^ 
tion ccafcth, there iucceedech another trial!, 
which as it were by contrary blades of do* j^^i^a-jX^Y^h^'^^^^ 
arinc, doth fift and winow mens faith, aiid'"'^'*^'^^*^^ 
proveth them whether they know God a- 
fight, even as the other ofaffliaions difco- 
vereth whether they love him better thca 
the world. Accordingly was it foretold by 
Chrift J (aying : "that in the Iaucy times it 
(Ijouldbee fatdy Loehere, he there is Qirifl; 
which is to beunderftood, not as if the very 
pctfon of Chrift fliould bceaffumeJ^and 
countcrTcited, but his authority andprehe- 
minencc (which ought to bee truth it'fcTfe) 
that (hould bee chalcnged and prerendcd. 
Thus have we read and feene to beefulSl- 

B led 

led that which f oliowcth : Ecce in defertOt ec^ 
ceinpenetratioi while feme have fought thcr 
truth in the conventicles and conciliablcs of 
Hcretickcs and Se^aric s; oth ers in ihe ex- 
ternc face and reprcfcntation of the Churchy 

<H}>^ji»^^*s .''^'^c(LJL.^^^^^^^ ^^^^^ been feduced. Were it then 
n^n^Vuil-/ hnZ4c^.fA.- that thecontroverfics of the Church oiEng* 
^^y&t^^c^^^Mwercfu^ of the 

^?A^^o. ^ rf^LtyW't-^'f^Spm?, and not (uch as doe unfv/addtc her of 

nooccafion for any pretended Cacholickc 
to jtidge us, or for any irreligious perfon to 
dclpilcus : or if it be, \t (hall but happen to 
u$allasiLhathufedtodo€| to ihem tobee 
hardencdjandtouicoendurccbegood plea- 
fure of God« But now that our contentions 
are fuch , as we need not lo much that genc- 
rall Canon and lenrcncc of Chrift -. Erra$fs 
nejcientes ScripWiV^iffc. as wee need the ad. 
monition of Saint lames : Lep eyery man beo 
p^ifi to beare , flow tofpeake , Jlo^P to wrath : 
And that the wound is no way dangerous , 
except weepoyfon itwithoutowne reme- 
dies. Asthe fomier f^^ of men have leflc 
leafon co make themfelves mufitke in out 
^ difcerd; 

coids fo I have gooci hope that nothinglball 
difplcalc our fdvcs which (hall bee fmccrcly 
andmodcftiy propounded for the appcafing 
ofthcicdilTentions. For if any (hall be^ot- 
fended at this voyce: Vos eflis fratresy ycb 
fire brethren , why ftrive yec I hee (liall give 
great prefumption againft himfelfe^ ghat hee 
is the party tjiat doth hi,s_bw3t^ 

THc concrovctfies thcmfelvcs I will net eit- >^«* ^ r. ^""^"^^-f^' 
rer intOv as jtidging tnat dileale rcqmreth ra- 
ther reft Chen any other cure. Thus much we 
allknow and confeflfc, that they bee not ot 
the higheft nature : for ihey are not touch- o'^Q^h-^^\^ T ''^fc 
ingthehighmyfteties of faith: fuch a* de-'^^'^ ^' 
rained the Churches after their firft peace for 
many yearcs, what time the heretickes mo- 
ved curious queftions, and made ftfange a- 
natomies ofche nature and perfon of Chriift 5 
and the C achohcke Fathers wer« conapelled 
to follow then: with all lubtillity of difputa- 
dons and determinations, to exclude them 
from their evafions , and to take them in 
their owne Labyrinths ; fo as it is rightly 
(aid: l^is tm^mbus ingeniofa res /uit # it2)t:^ V'X- -'S^^ 
Cbrijiianui^i Inthofedayes it was an inge- 

B * nious 

» (4) 
nious and fubtilc matter to bee a Chriflian; 
X ^' tLy t^^yu^inUt^ iL Neither are they concerning the great 
^^i^-^r/— ^/^ pares ofthcwortbip of God; ofwhichif is 

eadmad^t in cohndo : There will bee kept 
no unity in belecving. eiccpt k bee intire 
in worfliipping: fuch at were the contro. 
vcrfics in the Ealt and Weft Churches 
touching Images, and fuch a» arc many 
of fhofc Miliich are bctweenc ihe Church 
of Rome and us, aj^ about «he^a^ari. 
on of the Sacrament , anTniic"liIcrBuc 
wee contend abouc Ceremonies ^and things 
indifferent , about the exferne policie and 
government of the Church: la which 
kinde, if wcc would but remember, that 
wU%^M^4yj.^^ j{^e ancient and true bonds of unity, are 

one Faith , one BaptifmeV and nof one Ge. 
rejmonie, oncJPojicie. If wee would ob- 
fttve t¥cTeaguc among Ghriftians, that 
is penned by our Saviour Chrifl {Heetbat 
i^no^agAitjfi lis ^ is with us) if weccould 
piircompreEenrthat ""/aying, Difurmid 
rhmm cmmendat mitatem deBrmi and 
^^l^Eabet reJigio ^tMjmt ^ternttatisy ha- 



let qu^Junt temporis; Religion hath parts 
which belong to eternity, and parts which 

belong to timet 

And if wee did but know the vertiw 
of filcncc , and flowncfTe to fpeake, com^ 
mended by Saint Imtesy our controver- 
fies would (of thenaJelvcs) clofc up and 
grow cogerhcr But moft efpecfally, if we . 

would leave the overweening and ^^^^^ f^^'^^'^^fi^^ 
lent humours of thefc times, and i^^^^^t!fh7l^'^suJ^^^\ 
the blcffed proceedings of the Apoftles^^-^^ 
and Fathers of the Primitive Church; 
which was in the like and greater cafes, not 
JO enter into affcrtions aad pofitions, but to 
deliver counfels and advices, we fliould need 
no other remedy at all. Si eadem cof^Us 
frater^ qu^affirwasy detetur confukmi reye" 
rentiay cum non debetur fides a ^inmnti : Bro- 
ther,^f thait wHich you pet oownTby way 
of aflcrtion, you would deliver by way of 
advice, there were reverence due m yout 
counfell, where credit is not due to youe 
affirmation* Saint Paul was consent to 
fpeake thus : Ego, non DominttSy i , a".d 

Bi3 n^c 


^hot cHe Lord: tf fecundum mflimkimii 
according to my counfell. Butnovrmen do 
(o^Hghtlyfay, Not I, but the Lordj.yca/and 
bindc it with hcavie denunciations ofhis 
judgements, to terrific the fimple , which 
have not fufficieatly underftoodout ofS^/o- 
morji that the caufejfe curfe fbaU not €ome: 
Therefore feeing the accidents are they 
which breed the perill, and not the things 
thcmfplves in their ovvne Daturc, it is nicer 
the remedies beeapphed unto thetn by ope- 
ning what it is on either part that keepcth 
the wound greene^and formahfcth bcth 
fides to a further oppofition, andworkcth 
an indifpofirion in mens m:ndcs to be reuni- 
ted j wherein no accufation is prerendcd. But 
Ifinde in rcaloa,that it isj?eft built by repe- 
tition of wrongs, and in example that tLc 
fpcechcs which have been by the wifeft 
mcn^De Concordia ordinum J have not abftaf- 
ned from reducing to memory the extremi- 
ties uJed on Eoth partir3o asTTirtruic 
which was faid. §!uipacm traS^a non repe- 
this eondimndxdlpdti, iswagvs animos duU 
cedine facis faHip qmm <cpi$Ate comfonif. 


(7) . 

And fitftofall, it is more then time t[}at an 
end were made ofthis unmodeft and defor- 
racd kinde of writing lately cntcr?ained, 
whereby matters of religion _arc handled jn 
thcftilcofthe ftagc. Indeed bitter andear- 
rieft writing is not haftiiy to be condcmncds 
formen cannot contend coldly and withoar 
aiFc<3:ion about things they hold dcare and 
^retious. A politickc man tnay write from ^^^^i^l> ^<y ^^-^'^^^ 
his brainc without touch or fenfc of his 
hea£t,asinafpcculationtbat peccaineth not 
unto him; but a feeling Chriflian will cr- v^s^r^^J'^f^^^^^'^ 
preflTe in his words a charaacr cither of" /^-^--^-^■ 
zeafe or love : the l^tcr of which as I would 
wiftiracherto be embraced, as being more 
iit for tbc times 3 yet is the foroicr warranted 
al(b by grcac examples. But to leave all re- 
verend and religious companions coward e* 
vils, or indignation toward faults, toturne 
religion into a Comedy or Satyr, to fcarch 
and rip up wounds with a kughing coua« 
tenaQcc>toinfetmix Scripture and Scurrili- 
lity fomefime in one fSntencegis a thing farrc 
from I he devouc reverence of a Chnftiao ^ 
and fcaut bcfecixungihe tionefl; regard of a 



fober man^ Nonefi major confu/h £um (efii 
lp]Oci : there is no greater ccnfufion tEcn 
the confounding of jeft and earneft. The 
majeftic of religion, and the contempt and 
deformity of things ridiculous } are things as 
. ^ i^^^^^^"^^ ^' things may be. Two principall 
}^l^^S, "^ caufci have I ever knowne of Atheifme, cu- 
ufti^i c^*^^<rr^s%L*s lious cont rover fi«s and prophanc fcoffine. 
Nowthatthclc twoare joyncd inonej no 
doubt that Se(9: will make no fmall progref- 
fion* And here I do mujJi cfteem the wife. 
/9-t« dome and religion of thai" Billiop, whicFre- 

plicd to thefirft pamphlet of this kindc, who 
lemea bred that a foole was to be anfwered , 
butnotby becomming like unto him, and 
confidcredthc matter hee handled, and not 
the pcrfo n with whom he dealt. Jai Ipeak- 
ingof thetnajefty and gravity of a ludgc 
in himfelfe, faith.: if I didjmiley they heUeyed 
memp ; as if he iliould have laid ; If I diver- 
ted or glanced unto conc«it of mirth', 
yet mens mindcs were fo poflcflcd with a re- 
verence of the aftion in hand, a$ they could 
not receive it. Much more ought this to be 
amongft Biftiops and Divines dilputing a- 


bout holy things' : and therefore as much 
doc I miflikc of him^who as it fecraed, plea- 
fed himfelf with it, as no mean policie. That 
thefe men are to be dealt withall at their own 
weapons , and pledged in their owne cup. 
This (no doubt) ieemed to him as profound, 
aswhentheCirdmall counfelled lulii^ the 
fecond to encounter the Ccuncell of Nice 
with the Councell of Lafcran j or as lawful! 
a chaIengeasM./^^^//made to confute the 
prercndtd Catholicks by the Fathers. 

Butthcfcthings will not eicufe the imi- 
tation of evil I in another : It (hould contra- 
ri wife be with us as C^far (aid : N/7 malo quam 
eosjimiles cimjui^ <y me »^W.But now,rf«f« de 
bonis contendimm^in malfs conjentimiis j while 
we differ in good things, we rcfemblein c- 
vill. Surely if I were asked of rhefe men, 
who were the more to bee blamed, I Ihould 
perhaps remember the proverbe. That thep- 
cond hlofp maketh the fray ; and the faying of 
an obfcure fdlow,^/ r eplicat muhiplica t^ he 
that rcplieth multiplieth. But 1 would de- 
termine the quciiion with this ftuttetcr: M$er 
pmcipium walo dedit^termodima^j^ip : by 

C the 


the one means wc havea bcginoing,by the 
other we (hall have none end; 

And trudy, as I doe maryell chat fomc of 
diolegreichcrs which do call for refornaatio 
(whoai I am farre from wronging, fo fane 
as to joyncthem with rhefe fcoffen) doc not 
publifli fome declaration^ whereby they may 
fatisfii^ the world , that chey diflike, the ir 
cauie (hould be fo folliciced : fo i hope affa-> 
ie%7n^»afmjXord$o^ have 

no'ictclligence with rhefe other libellers ^buc 
do alcogerhcr dilallow that their dealing 
flioLild be thus defended : For though I ob- 
ferve in aim manxglozes^whcreby [hcman 
would inTinuarc himlelfe into their favour 5 
yet I finde too ordinary^thac many prefling 
8i fawning perionsjdomifconjedare of th^ 
humours of men in authority , and many 
timc^ ycmri mmolant [mm ^thty fceke togra- 
tifie them wltFthat they moft diflikc. For I 
have great rcafon to farisfie my felfc touch- 
ingtbe judgcmentof my Lords thcBifhops 
in this maccer^y rhat^hich was written 
by one of them^ wEom [ roentioned before 
With honon rgBeYetthdelTe, Jnotc^ there 


ts net an indififcrcnt hand carried toward -^ lA;^:^^ u^ u ..^ 
thefe pamphlets as they dcfervc. For thconc^'^'^ ^^^U '?...,. -Sm 
for t flicth in da rknefle, and the othet is ut- 
tered openly. Wherein I might advifc that 
fide out of a wife writer, who hath fct it 
do wnc 5 that punk is ingeniis ^Ufcit authortWy 
and indeed we ever fee it fallctlTour, that the ^^ -^^"-^ /^^'-u^^v^^ 
-forbidden writing is thoughttobcaccrtainc^ *^^<^^ ^ ^«^ - 
fparke of truth that flieth up in the faces of "^ ' 
them thatfeeke to choke and tread it out i 
whereas a booke authorized, is thought to r^\ '^^Ji^^Z< 
bcebutf^wporw Doccs^ the language ot the^^A-j^r 
titnc. But in plalne truth I doc finde to my 
undetftandin^?, thefe pamphlets as meet to 
be fuppreffed as the Others. Fir ft, as the for- /'W^^^;ff?; ;^^ 
mcr doe lecke to deface the government ovu^t^ ^^ ^^ 
theChurch in the perions of the Bifliops ^^ 

and Prelates ; fo the other doth lead into con- ^^ y'^^^Z%f^'^ 
tempt the cxercife of religion in the pcrfons '*"^'' ' ' <^ / 
of fundry Preachers ^ fo ask difgraccth the 
higher matter , ehou^ in the meaner pc r^ //^^^ 

fon. NcxtJ finde ccrtaine mdifcreet and jr^;-^^;^^/^^^^^ 
dangerous amplifications, as if the civill ^p^y.s^^^^^^ 
vcmmcnt it /elfe of this cftare, had necre loft 
ihcforccof itifinewcs, and were ready to 

G f» enter 

enter in^o fome convulGon,aIl thingi being 
fuUol i:36tion and diforiJcri which isasun- 
wifely acknowledged as untruly affirmed. I 
know bis meaning is to inforce this unreve- 
renc and violent impugning of the go- 
vernment of the Biftiops, to bee a fufpc- 
ded fore-runner of a more general! con- 

And 1 grant there is a fympathy between 
both the eftatcs; bur noluch marterinthc 
civill policic as deferveih a taxation fo 
diflionourablc. To conclude (his point; 
As it were to bee wilhed that thcfe wri- 
tings had been abortive , and never lecnc 
r^ -the Sunnej fothe next is, that feeing they 
'^ "^ '^ be common abroad, that thej^bce cenfured 
of all that have underflanding anJ conlci- 
ence ^ as the uncemperat e citrav agants of 
fome ligHFpcrlbn rycaTurthcr > tEey"may 
beware (except they meane to deprive them- 
lelvesof all fenfe of religion, andro pave 
their ownc hearts, and to make them as 
the high way ) how they bee converfant 
in them, and much more how they delight 
themfelvcs in that veine, buc jathcr to tBtn 

their laughing into bluflbing, and to bee 
amazed as at a (hort madneflc, that they 
have in matters of religion, taken their dif- 
port ^and folace, But this perchance is one 
of thote faults which will bee fooneft ac- 
knowledged, though I perceive ncver- 
tbclcfrc, there wants not fomc which 
fecke to blanch and excufe it. But to 
delcend to a more narrow view and 
confideration of the accidents and cic- 
cumftances of thefe concroverfies, where- 
in cither part defctveth blame and imputa- 
tion : Ifipdc geiK raliyiacaufes of Church - 
controverliesTtha'c men do oftead in [omcT^^r^'^'^^! ^""T^J 
or all^onneis hve points s c^-^^(^*rnu'.^:^ . 

I. Thefirfi, the giving of occafimi un- p/>f^ 
to comroverfies , and aUo the mcurjfiJe-'.*<'^'t*^-f^^' > 
rate and unarounded taking; ot tneocca-^- ^'«^*^'^f'^'»- 


2, The next is the extending and muld-^^- 
plying ofcontrovctfies to a more generall 
oppofuion and contradiction then sppea- 
lethac the firfl: propounding of them, whea 
-mens judgements are leatt partialj. 

3. The third is the palhonax aad unbro- f' 3^. 

Q ^ theriy 

therly pradifes and proceedings on both 
spares towards the pcrfons each of others for 
their difctedit and {iippreffion« 
f9 -3$ . 4. The fourchjis the courles holdenand 
and entertained on either fide, for the draw- 
ing of the pradizams to a more {freight uni- 
on within them felvcs, which ever imporrech 
a further dcftruSion ofchcimirebody. 
fc. ^^. 5* Thelaftjisthe undue and anconveni- 

^ cnt propounding, pubUfhing, and debating 

of the controverfies. In which point the 
raoft palpable error hath been already /po- 
ken of, as that which through the flrange- 
ncfleand freftneflcofthe abufe firfloffcreth 
... it fclfc to the conceits of all men; 

'fj^^^ I Now concerning the occafion ofcontro- 
vcrGes, it cannot be denied^butjhatjhe im- 
jcrfe^ion in the convglation and govern- 
; .f/^^ ^ A "^ ' ^'^" r ncnt of tho fe which have cEicfe jlaceTn 
X' it^'^Ilt^"^ tlw Church, have ever been principall cau- 
^*" *^ fes and motives of fcbifroes and divifions : 

ForwhilcftjtheBi^Dhops and governours of 
the Church continue full of knowledge and 
good workcs, whilcft they feed tbciLfl^ck 
in^cd, while they deale with the fccolat c 
"*^ - ftates 


(15) - ^ 

&fite% in all liberty and refolution, according 
to the roajefty of their calling , and the pre- 
tious care of foulcs impofcd upon them ; io 
long the Church is ficuatCjas ft were, upon 
an hill, no man maketh qucftion of it, or 
fcckes to depart from it ; But when thefe 
vertues in ^he Fathers and Elders of the 
Ghurch have loft their light, and that they 
wax wordly, lovers of thtimfclves, and 
pleafcrs of men: then men begin to grope 
for the Church as in the datke, they bee in 
doubr whccher they^cethe luccefl orsof th e 
Apoftles jOr oFcIie Pharifces 5 yea, howfoe- 
ver cRey fit inAlJ/^iChaire, yecrheycan ne- 
ver fpcake J tanqu^m authoritatem hahntes^a^ 
having authority j becaaie they lott their re* 
purationintheconlcicaces of men, by de- 
clining their fteppei from the way which 
they trace out to ochcrsj fo as men have need 
continually founding in their eares, this fay- 
ing, Nolhe exire^ goenotout, fo ready are 
they to depart from the Church upon every 
voycc: And therefore itis ccuely noted by 
one who wntethasa natural! man, that the s'^^^^ ,^tf.ny^_ 
hygocrific of Friers did for a greaMtune, 


maintainc and bearc out the irrclidon of Bi- 
(hops and Prelates. For this is that double 
policie of the fpiritualcncmy^cither by coun- 
terfeit holineffc of life to authoriie and c- 
ftablifli errors, or by the corruption of man- 
ners to difcredit and call into queftion truth 
and lawful! things. 
t, ( T^i'^i^ concerneth my Lords theBijhop Sf 

):^fJ^'-\'^!! ^ untQwho mlam witne fl c to my felfc^at 
Iftand affgftgd ai I oughtj no cOntradi(3i- 
on hath fupplantedlnimcc the reverence I 
owe to their calling: neither hath any de- 
tra^ioncrcalumnic cmbafed my opinion 
of chcir perfons; I know fome of them, 
whole names are moft picrced~witli thcfe 
accufanoni^tobemenot great vertues, al- 
though indifpofihon ot the timcrand the 
want of corrcfpondencc many waycs, is e- 
nough tofruftratethcbeft indevours in the 
Church. And for the reft generally, lean 
condemnc none, I am no judge of them that 
Ecjongtofo high a matter, neither have I 
twowitncflc$:andI know it is trucly faid 
of ?Simcy Pariur faStaatqueinfeSa canebat. 
Their taxations arife not all from one coaft : 


They bayc indiflfcccnt enemies, and read y to 
invent (lander) mote ready co amplifie, and 
moft ready to believe it , y maines mendacii 
creduUt{U^aeAM\\iy\%\\\c allurement of lies. 
ButlFanyT)e who have againil the fupreame 
Bifliops not a few things, but many : if any 
have loft his firft love, if an^bee^ncitherhot 
nor cold, if any have ftumblcd ro folly at the 
thrcilioldjin fuch fott that he cannot (it well 
that entred illj it is time ihey returne whence 
they are fallen, and confirmc the things 
which remaine. Great is the weight of this 
fault, Et sorum cauja abhorrebant homines a/a- 
crifidts Domini : and for their caufe did men 
abhor the worfhip of God. ^Buchowfoever it ^ftaj ^-3- 

be,jhat thofc have fought to defame thenisSc - ^/^-,^5 ' 
caft contempt upon them^are not tobeexcu^ 
fed. It is the precept of Salomon, That the 5^«- 
lers be not reprocbed^ no not in thought ^ux. that 
wee draw our conceit into amodcft inter- 
pretation of their doings. The holy AngcU 
would give no fentence of blafphea:y a- 
gainft the common flandcrer, but fayd, Jn^ 
crepet teDomimts ^ the Lord rebuke thee; 
The Apoftle Saint PauU thought againft 

D him 

him that did polutc facred jufiice with tyran- 
nous violence , hce did juftly denounce the 
judgement of God in faying , Percuctet te 
Domintf^i the Lord (hall ftrike thee , yet in 
kymg^Paries deaW^fe, he thoghthe had gone 
too feire, and retraced it : whereupon a 
learned Father fayd 2 Ipjumy quamyps imnsy 
nomen isf umbram facer dotis coghans expayh. 
TheancientGouncels and Synods, as it is 
Kofed by the Ecckfiafticall ftoryjvvhcn they 
deprived any Bijhop , neyer^ecord^jhe 
q8cnce,bat buried k in perpetiiall filence# 
Oncly (l?^i2 purchased his fathers curfe with 
revealing his fathers difgrace ; and yet a 
much greater fauITisic, toafcend from the 
perfontothecallingj and to draw that in 
queftion. Many good Fathers rigoroufly 
complained of the unworthincfTs of Bi- 
^. /•. ^ ft)opS,a$ificdidprefenrly forfeit Scceafe their 
T^^rr^ftJuJ omce. One layth : Sacer dotes nominamur isf 

fia;?/^^//;^ , we are called Pricftsj and are not. 
Another fayth : nifibonum opusampJeBarisEr 
plj'coprs ejJenonpQtesy except thou undertake 
thegood wotke.thoucanftnotbea Biihopj 
y?ti^^)L-^-?-^i^f nothing lefTc t hen to move 

^ doubt 


,doubtofthcit calling or ordination; ^ 

The fccond occafion of cotrovetfies. is, the ^- ou^i'^<nn^^fK^<r^^>r^^ 
nature & humor ot lomc men.The Church i^-<> >-v. . 
never wanteih a kinde of perfons that 
love the falutation of RMU not in ceremo- 
ny or complement, but in an inward autho- 
rity which they (eeke over mens niindes,in 
drawing them to depend upon their opini- 
on, and (o leckc knowledge at their lippes ; 
thefe men arc the true (uccelTours ofDiotre" 
phesythc lovers of preheminence, and not 
Lord Billiops; fuch fpirics doe light upon a- 
nothcr fort of natures which doe adhere to 
thefe men, §Hi.orum gloria in obfequto-, ftifFc 
fcllowesj and fuch as zeale marvelloufly for 
thofe whom they havechofen to bee rheic 
maftcrs. This latter fort of men for the moft ^^-^ ^^^^-^ .^^ <n 
part, ate men of young ycares, and fuperfi-<H!S^'^^'^* ' 
ciall underflanding, carried away with par-* 
tiall rcfpe^ of pcrfons, or with the enticing 
appearance of godly natnes and pretences, 
Piuci'res ipfoj j^qumtur^plures nomlnaurum-y 
plurimdnominamagijlrorum: few follow the 
things themfclves , more the names of the 
things , moil the natsies of their maflersS 

D ft ~ About 


About thefc general affcdions are wretched 
accidentallacd private emulations and dif- 
conceatments. All which breakc forth to- 
gether into contentions , fuch as cither vio- 
late truth, lobiiciy, or peace. Thefe genera- 
lities apply themlelves.The Vnivcrficics are 
the feaies and continent of thii difeafe , 
whence ichai:h been, and is derived into o- 
ther parti oi the realme. There fome will 
be no longer e numero^oi the number : there 
fome others fide themfclves before chcy 
know the tight hand from the letc So as n 
cc is cruel y (aid Tranfeunf ab ignarantia ad pre ^ 
cc judicIumiThcy leap from ignorance to a pre- 
judicate opinion , and never take a good 
judgement in their way.But as it is welno- 
cc ted : Inter juyemlejudicium^i^femlejrejudicmn 
cc omnis yeritO'S cor rum^itunW hen men are in- 
different and notpartiair, then their judge- 
ment is weakcand unripe , through want of 
ycares j and when it groweth to ftrength , 
and ripencflc , by that time it is fore- 
ilalled with lucha number of prejudicate 
opinions , as it is made unprofitable , fo as 
between thefe two alltruth is corrupted j 
. ' "" - — " ~ while 

while the honourable oamcsof finccrity, 
and reformation , and dilcipline , are put 
in the fotward, to as contentious" and cvill 
zeales cannot be touched, except thcfcholy 
f hinges arc firft thought to be violated. Dut 
howioever they (hallinferte the iolicitation 
for the peace of the Church : not to pro- 
ceed from carnallfinnes : yec willl cvec 
conclude with the Apoftle Paul : QmJiC 
inter yos a^ehfs iff contentio , nonne carnales 
eftU ? While there is amongft you wale 
and contention, are ye not carnall? And 
howfocverthcy eftetmtheconipoundingof 
controverfies,to favour of mens wiiedoinc 
and humane policie,- i thinke themfclvcs 
led with the wikdomc which is from a- 
bovcj yec I fay with Saint i^zw^j , Nonefi 
ijia japientia dejurfum defcendens^ fcdurrerkh 
an'malff^ diabolic a, Ibi ^eliis tf contention 
ibi inconfiantia iff omne cpud pra^vum. Of 
this inconfta ncy It is laid by a learned Fa- 
ther: Procedere non ad p erfeSionem j Jed q^ 
ad permuwionem* They fecke to goc 
forward ftill, not to perlcttion^but ta 

'•''^"^{(^i^J. ThcthitdoccaGonof contfovcrfiesjiob'- 

' I'T'^'^'^ci^^^ fervetobeanextreame and unliraitcd dctc- 
ftation of (ome former hercfic or corruption 
of the Church acknowledged 6c convidlcd; 
This was the caufe that produced the hcre- 
fie of Sniffs y grounded chiefly apon^ctc* 
ftation of Gentilifme ; left the Chriftiaris 
fhould fecme by affertion of the coeqaall di- 
vinity of our Saviour Chrift to approach to 
the acknowledgement of more Gods then 
one.Thedeteftation of Jrrim herefie pro- 
duced that of SaheDi^SyWho holding for exc* 
crable the diflimilitude which ^rri m preten- 
ded in the trinity , fled fo fatre from him, 
that he fell into the other extreame, to deny 
. the diftindion of perfons, and to fay they 
were but onelv names of fc verall offices and 
difpehfations ; yea, nioft of the herefies of 
the Shurch have fprung up of this root, 
while men have made it their fcale to mca- 
^ww«^K</Wdx^furethe bounds of their religion, takine it 
■i c^ ^-^^^.s-CAi . by the rartbeft diftance from the crrour lalt 
condemned. Thefe be Poflhumi hterefium filiif 
herefies that arifc of the albes of other here- 
fies that are extinft and amortifed* This 
" mannc 

• J'^iyu* trt^Stjw vv* ur «a^ 

manner of apprchenfion doth in fomc de- 
gree poiTcfle many of our time : they thinke - - -«-^ . ^ 

it the true touch ftonc to try what is good /ctl^i."^^j!c^^"^ 
and holy, bymcafuring what h more and ^ 
Icflc oppofitc to the inftitutions of the i 
Church of Rome, be it ceremony, be k poli- 
cic or government i yea be it other inftitufi- 
cnofgrearcr weight 5 thatisever raoft per- 
fcd which is removed moft degrees from 
that Church 5 and that is ever polluted and 
blemiflicd which patticipatcth in any appea- 
rance with it ;dhi sisa(ub tilcand dangerous 
conceit for men tocntcrtaine, apt tordeTude 
tliemrelvcs7n^iorFa~pt|td^eludc the people, 
and moft apt of all to calumniate their ad- 
vcrfarics. This furely, but that a notorious 
condemnation of that pofition was laid be- v^^^^*^^ 
fore our eyes, had long fince brought us to 
the rebaptizlng of children baptized accor- 
ding to the pretended Catholicke religion. 
For I fee that which is a matter of much like 
rcafbn, which is the rcordaining of Pricfts, n:*nlv*A.VTv. 
is a matter very relolutely maintained. It is 
very meet that men beware how they be a- 
bufcd by this opinion, and that they know it 

is a 

is a confidcration of much greater wifc- 
domc to be well advifcd : whether in the gc- 
'' ncrall demolicion of the inftitutions of the 
Church ofRome, there were not (as mens 
afJionsare unperfcd) fomc good purged 
with the bad.^ rather then to purge the 
Church as they pretend, everyday aticw, 
whichis the way to make a woundTn her 
bovvels^as it is already begun. 
:p;i^C^^,:^ ,rt j. The fourth and laft occafion of thefe 

'^ ' b!e the Church in former time) is the partiall 

afFcdat!on and imitation of forraignc Chur- 
ches : for many of our men, during the time 
ofper(ecution,andfince,having been con- 
vcrfant in Churches abroad, and received a 
great impreflion of the government there 
ordained) have violently fought to intrude 
the iameupon our Church. But I anfwer, 
Conyenianui^ in^ eo ^iod conymt non in eo 
quodreceptum efl : Jet lis agree in this with 
every Church, to doe that which is conve- 
nient for the eftatcof it feife,and not in par- 
ticular cu domes. Although their Churches 
had received the better forme ^ yet many 


^iimes it is to ha (bughc. Nott quid optimum ] 
pd h honis quidproximumi Not what is bcft , 
but of good things what is next and readieft 
to be had. Our Church is not now to place, 
ins fetled and cAablifbpd. It may be in ci- 
vill Sta tes 3 rcpubli quc is better then a king^ 
domcFyct GoHTorKd that lawfull king- 
domes fliould be tied to inovate and make 
alterations ; ^i mala introduch , ipolunfa^f^ 
temDfieppu^na^rc^elatamin'verbo: §^t^^ 
noya introdmtj rvoluntatem Dei oppugmt^^ 
rcysUtaminrebus : He that bringeth in ill 
cuflomes, rciiftech the will ofGod revealed 
in his word : He that bringeth in new - 
things , refifieth the will of God revealed 
in the things themfelves. ConJulepromdentU 
4fn Dei cum rverbo Dei : Take counfailc 
of the providence of God, as well as of his ^ 

word. Neither yet doe I admit that their:- --^"^r*^ ^-^ '^'f ^ 
lorme (although iiwereposhblc andcon-«^j^i.A.^-..«^. 
venient) is better then ours, iffomeabu- 
les were takca away. The pa Ay and e- 
quality , is a thing of wondctfuU great con- ^ 

fafion^and fo is an ordinary government By '^"'••^^^ v ^ ^-'^ 
Synods^, which do reccffanly enfuc upoa ; r*^ ' 

E the 

^i:^w0^(t r^'^M- thcothcr.Ic is hard in alIcaafcf,cfpcciaUviii 

!:^ iT-Tifep, .^ir^--'* niattcrs of rcligion,whfn voyccf fliall bcc 

~^ ^^^"^ *^ numbrcd and not weighed. Equidem (faith 

^ ' a wile Father) m Ifieri quod res efl Jcribmy 

^^^i^-t}jE^Mi P^Kf^^ decreyifuger^ omnem conyentum E^ 

/^4^t^*^T^^^ •* »«^^^' ^^^^ cenfilii bonum e$thum 

Jr&ir3^^0^'^ mqua yidh confiliaenm non minuunt mdlajed 

:wi?-?^^^f^2r aupentpotius. To fay the truth, lam utcer^ 

'"'^^^S^'^.T^'!^^'^ *y determined never to come to any Coun- 

'i^'^3^d'4^^^^ of Biihops: for I never yet fa w good 

' ^)i^B^'-l'f'^^'-'^'f^-^^^ ^f ^'^y Councell : for Councels abate 

'^*^''j!^^i^^^f43 not ill things, but rather increafe them: 

'"^^ * which i$ not fo much to bee underftoo d 

ojFgenerall Counccls^$ f or Syno ds ga- 
thered for theordlnary^ovctjirrcnt of the 
-Church, as for deprivation of Bifhopi, 
or luch like cafes, which mi/cbiefe hath 
taught us theuleof Archbiftiopsand Patri^ 
arkcSj and Primates, as ihc abufe of them 
^^ ^ fince hath caufcd men to miflike them. But 

■fr^ ^ Jf '^ it will bee faid , Lookc to the fruits of 

the Chuijchesabroadand ours. To which I 
fay^ I befeech the Lord to multiply his blcf- 
fiogs & graces uponihcfc an hundred fold. 
£utyet it is not good we fall a numbring 


far) {^7^ 
ihem« It may bee oat peace bath made ui 
wanton. It may be alfo (though I would be 
loach to derogate fromthc honor of thofe 
Churches,were it not to remove fcandals ) 
thac their fruits areas torches in the darkci 
whichappearegreatefla far«e oiF. I know 
they ^tiay have foroe oaore ftrid order for 
the reprcffingof fundry cxccffes.But when I 
confidct of the ccnfuresof iome'petfonsj as 
well upon particular men as upon Churches, 
I think ofcbe <(ayingof a Platoniii, who 
faith : Ceru yitia irajcibilfs fartps mm^funv^ 
grdduprayiora quam concufijcihilis^ tametf oc* ^ 
ctikiora, A matter that appeared well by the 
ancient contentions of Bilhops ; God grant 
We may contend with other Churches as the 
Vine with the Olive, which of us bearcth / c-^-^^'-^ e^-?- 
bcft fruits: and not as the Brier with the 
Thiftle,whichof us is moft unprofitable.'. 
And thus much touching the occafion of 

controverfies. ' r> ^ J^h.^- 

. ,^ . Now briefly to fet dow« tke growth and ; r^"; j^^^ I^hJ 
^ progrcffionofthefecontrovcrfiesjwhctebf^^^^r^^H-^,^^^ 

will be verified the wife coun(ell of Sab' ^^^Jiy^^ 

fwtf», that the courfe of contention is to bee 

Iftoppcdatthc fir ft, being elfe as the watersi 

E » which 

which if they get abrcarh, vi'iU hardly ever 
be rccovc'red. U miy he fcnicmbgcd , how 
,r, thm ^>n their pare w ho call for rcrormation, 
?^^c T^LnT..^ vvrfS fitli: propounded fc mfe difltkc of ccr> 
' tainc ceremonies, fuJ^pofcHrobecfuperftici- 

ousTioi^c coimj^lamed of dumb JViiniftcrSj 
who polTcfll^d i jch Benefices ; fomc made 
invciS^ivcji ^jnft^tJie lidc ancrmonaftfcall 
coDtJnuancc within the Vniverfitics , by 
thoCc who had hviag-. to be refic Cul upon , 
and (uch like caur;.s. Thegtcclte^ went on 
to conderiinc the gi^crn m em of bi (hops , 
' as an HieiaichyTcmaming ti> iis of the tor- 
iu^ion«ofthe Romane Church, and to 
except to fundry infticutions j as not fuffici- 
cntiy dehvered from the pollutions of for- 
Hicr times. And laftly, they arc advanced 
10 define ofanonely and pcrpetiiall forme 
orpoliciein the Ghurch, which (without 
ft corilTderaTidnof tSpoffibility, orforcfight 
to of perillaOr perturbation of the Church & 
to Stare) muftbeereded and planted by the 
Magiftrate. Here they ftay. Others nota- 
ble to keep footing on (o ftecp a ground,dc- 

f^?9^ %?!!?5^Jt !^^^ ?!?€, ^^5 muftbec en- 

■ ' > • i -... ii-i-:"7 '"•••^i >~ ''~^*"'^'' tre« 

oidw ^ 

trcd into , and accepted by the people at 
their peniljWithoutaaending the cftablifh' 
nicnt of au(hQncie;and fo in the mean 
time they rcfufe to communicate wit h us, 
reputing ui to have no Church. This hath 
been the prqgrclTion of that fide, I meanc 
of the gcneralicy; For I know thac feme 
perCons (being of the nature not onely to 
love cxtreniticsj but to fall to them with- 
out decrees ) were at the hiaheft ftreame 
at the firft : the other part that mainfaineth .r^Y'^ ^i-^rwi^vt**^^. 
the prefcnt government of the Church, -l^^j'^l^!""'^^ ^ 
haih not kept ore tcnorneithcr. Fitft^tbofe 
cercmonici which they pretended to be cor- 
rupt, they maintained to bee things indiffe- 
rent, and oppofcd the examples of the good . 
timesof theChurchjto thatchalcnge that 
was made unto them, becaufc they were 
uftd in the latter fuperftiiious times % then 
wcrctheyaKo content mildly to acknow- 
ledge many imperfeftions in the Ghurch, 
as Tares came up amongtl the Corne , 
which were not as yet according to the 
v/ifedome of our SaviourChriftjto be with- 
^rifepuljcd up, left it might fpoile s^nd' 
E 3 iupplant 


fupplant the good corn , but togtdw oh to- 
gether till the harvefl.After this they %tcw 
to a more abfblute defence 6c maintenance 
of orders of the Church : and ftifly to hold 
that nothing was to be innovated , partly 
becaufe it needed not, and partly becaufe it 
would make a breach upon the reft. 
Thence ( cxafperate through contention ) 
they are fallen to a dircd condcmnarion of 
the contrary parr, as of a fed : yea and fomc 
ifldifcreet perfons have been bold in open 
* VV7\ preaching to ufcdi (honourable and deroga- 

tive fpeech, and cenfiire of the Churches a- 
broad : and that io farce » as that fomeef 
out men ( as 1 have heard J ordaincd^in for- 
rcigne parts have beene pronounced to be 
^ . Q no lawfull Minifters. Thus we fee the 

/s;^'»*«, itv^w. beginnings were modeft, but the extreamef 
violent: fbas there is now almofi; as great 
a difiance of either part from it (elfe, as was 
at the fir ft ofone from the other, Andfure. 
ly (though my meaning andfcopc be not 
(as I laid before ) to enter into the contro- 
verfiethemfelves) yec Idoeadmonifti the 
maintaiacts of the abov e na tpcd difciplin c. 


to weigh and conGdec fcnoullyi anJatten- ^y-^^^^*^-^ ^s^ 
lively , how necr they arc unto thole with '^*^"* ' 
whom I know they will not join . It is hard ; 
to fay that the difciplinc which they fay ' 
wc want , is one of the Effentiall parts of'. 
the worlhip of Godiand not to affirme, that v. 
the people upon perill of their falvation . 
without flaying for the Magiftrafe are to ga- , 
cher themfclves unto it. I demand if a dvill 
State (hould receive the preaching and bap- 
tifme>and exclude the facremenc of the 
fuppet : were not men bound upon dan- 
ger of their {oules , to draw themfelvcs to 
congregations,whereihcy might celebrate v 
thatMiniftery, and not content themfelvcs 
with that part of wor(hip which thcMa- 
giftratc hath authorifcd ? Thi^ I fpeakc not 
to draw therajmto miflike of others, butin-^ 
to a more deep conftdcrarion of themfclves. ' 
Fertaffe nonredeunt^ (^uia progreffuumfuum ' \' ^, 

noninteGigunt , Againc 1 fay, to nay Lords 
the Bilhops that it isjjfcd for fli em to a- 
vad blame in the opinion ofanindifFe- 
rent pcrron,in (landing fo prefiefly , in alte- 
jang nothing> Leg^s no'vis Ugibits hon 


,ti.'j«<*U.^tfM' flP If ' 

ucreateidefcunt ^ Lawcs being not rcfrcflicd 
with new lawcf, wax fowtc, §}nimaUnon 
fermutap , inbonis nonperfeyitat , without 
change of ill , a man can not continue the 
good : to take away abufcs , fupplantcth 
not good orders, but cftabliflics them._3l(?- 
cc refa nsorfs retentio res turbulent a aque ac no-* 
^'' yltasejli A contentious retaining of cu- 
flomeisa turbulent thing as well as inno- 
vdtion. A good husbandn}an is ever pru- 
ning and ftirring in his vineyard, or field; 
not unreafonable indeed , nor unskilfully, 
tor he lightly ever findeth fomewhat to do, 
■ "^Z'^-i!^' Ti We have heard of no offers cf the Bifliops 
^s;, r,.^^ j^^ii^*t.M^i CI bils in Parliament, which no doubc pro- 
Gu..' t,,^'* ceeding from them to whom it properly 

appcf tainccb , would have every where re- 
ceived acceptation,thcir^wnconftitutions, 
/ ^^/ 5 a nd orders have reforme d jictle. Is nothing 
'** '^^ / amifle? can a ny man^e fend the ufe of ct- 

u^Uir M_^*^''--'*^^'^l:o|Rn:unication,as a bare procetfe to lackey 
up and downe , i^t duties and for fees , it 
being th^ greatcft judj^^cmcpt ne xt unto tfia t 
generall judg^ement atthclaftday? Is there 
rp means to,nurle and trainc up Miniflers ? 


\ ?^ y 

(for the ycld of the Viiivctfities will not 
fervc , chough they were never (o well go- 
verned ) to traine them I (ay not to preach '■ '^'^-^ -^- - ^ »^^y 
(for that every man adventurcih confix '"^ ''^ ' 
denclytodoe) but to preach foundlyand 
handle the Scriptures with wifcdomeand 
judgement. I know Prophecy ing was fub- 
jcQ: to great abufes) and would be more a- 
buIcdnoW)bccau(etheka(e of perfccution 
is cncrcafcd. But 1 fay , the onsly reafon 
oi the abuic was , b ecaufe there were ad- 
mitted to it d popular auditory , and it vvas 
conteined with a private conference of 
Minifters, Other thinges might be fpoken 
oh jj)ray God infpire the Biftiogs , with ?r^c^^^]s'^^ v^/tz^^^ 
a fervent love 7 and ~care oT the people , 
and that they may not fo much urge 
thinges in controvctfie , which all men 
contetle to bee gracious, and good. 
And thus much for the fecond pare . 

NowastQ the third ^^^^^i^^^P^^^'"^^^ 
ly proceeding on cither part , it is dire£tly /LII jn^hs^ ^ u^f^^ 
contrary tcmypurpofc to atpplifie wrongs, 
it is enough to noteand number thein;, 

F which 

^ • 1 / 


which 1 doe alfo to movccompafTion and 
rcmorfc on the offending fide , and not to 
animate chalenges and complaints on the 
other. And this point (as reafon is) doth 
ct chiefly touch that fide which doe moft : In- 
cc jurU potenmrum (unty injuries come from 
them that have tTie^uppeT hand; The 
wrongs of them that are opprcfTed, of the 
^^Vp^*«^' "^/*^ government of the Church towards the o- 
^^t.Uci^^^'^^^''^^^ ther,may hardly bee diflcmblcd or cxcu- 
>^^^f^*^-f^^P'^T"^f^d:t\icy have charged them as thoush 
^ ' they denied to pay irioutc to Q^far , and 

wichdraw from the civill magiftrate^ their 
obedience J vvhicK "tHcy^ ever performed 
and caught; They havefofred and coupled 
them wiih die family of Love, whofe here- 
fies they have laboured to dclcry and con- 
fute: they have been fwift of credit co re- 
ceive accufationsagainft them from thofc 
that have quarrelled with them. But for 
fpcakio^g^againft^fiinand vicyheir examina- 
fions and inguifitions liavc teen ftrelght, 
(wearing thenwoblanks 6^ 
kicludedvvithin the j ompaflc of matter ccr- 
taine,which the party thattakethThToath 



is al>le to comptchcndjwhich fs a thing cap- 
tious and ft ratnablc.Their urging of fubfcri-. ^ths A*^hn£h^ii^ 
p^ionto their ownc Articles, is but lacejccre'^^^^''^^^^'^'^''^^^^^ 
isf irritare morboj EciUjiay which othervvifc 
would fpend and crufh themfclvcs, l<Jon con- 
jenfum qucerh^fed dijiidium auget^ qui quod f a- 
£lispr^Jlatur^yerbps exigit : hce ieekcth not 
union butdivifion,whichexadech inward- 
ly that, which men are concent to yecld in 
outward adion. And it is true, there arc 
fonciCjWhich (as i am pcrfwaded) will not 
cafiljr offend by inconformity,who nocwith- 
ftanding make fqmcconfciencc to fubfcribe. 
For they know this note of inconftancic &: 
defe^ionfrom that which they have long 
held, (hall difable that good which other- 
wife they would do. For fuch is the weak* ^^ * 
ncflc of many, that they thinke their Mini- ^c ^'/cs^^^ ^ A^^-n^th^ii h ■ • 
ftericsQiould thereby be difcredited. Asfoc^^''^'^'^^'^^'^"*''" 
their eafiefilencing of them, in iuch great 
fcarciry ofPreaehcrs,isto punifli the people 
anS notthem.Oughtthcynot (I meanc the 
Bilhops)to keep one eye open toTooke cipon 
tEcgoodthatthofcmendo; not to fix them 
6oth^ upon the hurt^tHac they] fuppofe 

F 2 commcth 

u^Mi^^^M^i'^A'nci conimcthbythem. Indeed fuch as arc in- 
temperate and mrorriiiblc God forbid chcy 
ViT^^j n*^ ?«^* "'^-Jliould be j^c-rai'ard iv icach.l -ut (hall eve ry 
5^ /^ /v, ^..^#.5 inconfide rare wo^.d ^ (omedmcs capiioufly 
wafdied,and toe the moil psrr haroly infbr- 
ccdvbe a^ it were a Krleiture of their voice 
^'gift in teaching? As for particular molefta- 
ci6>)I take no pica/ure ro recifc f hejf a mini- 
flcrjhal be troubled for faying in Baptifme, 
D^^M^^^^l^h^oflll^Jti belhlpc\ 1 \ another 
fhal be troubled for praying for her Majefty 
vvitliOut aj^d fion of her ftiies^ whereas the 
^ yciy form of pr ayer in the bo ok of C nmtmm 
prr<)er haihlthy fervant Eli^^ahetb) an£no 
more. Ifa third ihali beaccufcduponthele 
words uttered touching the controverfies , 
ToUatur lex y fi^t^ certamen, whereby was 
ti-icant, ihattlie prejudice of the law remo- 
\c6y other reafon sfliould^bc equally ccpa • 
redof calhng for mutinie and fedition : as if 
he had laid^Away with theLaw,and try it 
out by force, ^fijiicfcaiid^oth^r like parti- 
cujar^betrirc, which I have but by rumour 
and cannot affirme, it is totee iamcnted 
that they (hould labour amongft us with fo 


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little comfort. I know reft rained govern- 
ment is better then remiffe. And^ I am 
of his opinion thaufaid : Better it is to Ihs 
'^here nothing is ktpfuHy then "^here aU things 
are U-^ofull : I diflikc that lawcs^bee con- 
temncd, or diftutbcrs unpunifhed . But 
lawesj»recoa}£ared to tbe gragc^\yhich be- 
in^ too much prclT^d^y ccl dech aniiard and 
unwholefome vvjne. Of f hefe i hings 1 may 
f"^y> /y^^^ yhi non opcratur \ uffinam D ei ; the [I^'- ■ '^if'''^ 
wrach of man vvorketh not the ridiccout- 
rieile of God. As Fo r the injurie s on the o- 'f^^y^^;^. z I^,y ' 
ther part^ thcy arc, Iclns yertmum, as it were ^t r/.^^c . ^ ^ 
hcadleflc arro A^es,they are firy and eager io.*'^ 
ve^^ivcs: and in lon^e foad men, uDcivill 
and Linrcvercnt bchavioiu: towards, their 
perfons TliislaftinveT^tipn alfo which cx- 
pofeth ihem codcrifionandobloqulebyh*- 
bcls,chargcch(ab [ ampeifwadedjrhe whole 
fide ^neither doth chat other, which is yet 
more odL')Us , praQiled by the moft fort of 
the^which is calling in as it wete to their aid, 
certain mercenary bands, which imi-'Ugned 
B.fliops & other Ecclefiafticall dignities, to 
have the (poile ot their endowments and li- . 
yings. i* } Of 


Ofthis I cannot fpcakc too hardly : Itis^an 

intelligence betvvecnjnccndiarics and tob- 

bers> the one to rob or fitcthc houfe, the o- 

therto rifle ir« And thus much couching 

the third pare, 

■jPt>..^ti ^<'^*\jiS'>^'-L:ii^ The fqurth^art wholly pcrtaincth to 

r*^vP^^^''?^*^'^ whichjrcpu^c thc^refcnt Ecclefiafti- 

.^-^..cvn^h call government, who althougfillicy^havc 

not cut themfelves from the body and com- 
munion of the Church : yet they cfFe^ cer- 
tainecognifants ^e differences, wherein they 
ftck to corrcfpond amongft themfelves, and 
to differ from other: and \i is ttuly (aidyTam 
tica: ThcTC be as well Schilmaticall faftions 
as opinions. Firfl:,thcy have imprqpered f o 
^ ^7^ Htrf^'^^ "^ themfelves the names of zeaIous,ryncere5& 

rcformedjas if all other were cold, minglcrs 
of holy things, and prophane , and friends 
of abufes. Yea to be a man endued with 

t':t^i&^^^7p<^^%'^^^ v«^««*3 and fruitfull in good workes, 
(3^:\ffh^ -"^ ""*'"' *^'^- yetif heconcurrenot fally with them , they 

terme (inderogation ) acivill and moral! 
man, and compare him to Socrates or fomc 
heathen Phylofopher ; whereas the wife- 


come of the Scripture tcachcth us contrari- 
wife CO denominate him religious accor- ^ <^ A>.*-;:J^^cn^a ^^/^^^ 
ding to the workcsofthcfecond table: be- .^^/^'^.t^^f^'^ 
caufe they of the firft are often counterfei- 
ted and pra£Ji(ed in hypoctifie. So faith 
Saint io.5fi,that a man doth aaainly boaft of 
loving God whom he hath not feen , if he 
loveth not his neighbour whom be hath 
feen. And Saint /^^?i faith, This is 
true religion to vifit the farherlcflTc and 
widow ; an d Co that which is but Ph ylo- 
fophica llwith them , iiin thephtafc of the ^ 

Apoflle, true religion and Chfiftianity.' As a<-*^^ ^/-^''^/'^''"^?^^ 
inalFediontbcy chalcngctothemfeTvesthe \^fLy/-^-'-'i'' '^''>-^'"'-"*^ 
faid vcrtHcs of zcalc, and the reft, foin^^t^^. 
knowledge they attribute to themfclves 
h*ght,and perfcdion They fay the Church of 
England in King Ed-vpards time , and the be- 
ginning of her Majeftes, wasbut inthe 
cradle: and that the bi(hops of thole dales 
did fomewhat for day-breake , but the md=' 
turity and fulneflc of light proceeded fro m 
themfelvcs. So Sw^f»//f Bilfiop of HeracTca 
of Macedonia , itaid, that the Fathers in the 
councell of Nice were but infants, and igno- 

rant men; that the Church was notfo to 
perfift in their decrees , as to rcfufc that far- 
ther ripnefle of knowledge which the time 
had revealed. A«d as they cenfiire vercu- 
ous men by the names of civill and moral, 
fo doc they censure men trucly, and godly- 
^i ^«cVv u^^ Ti'% ''^■7 ^^^^ ^^^ '^^ ^^^ vanity of their aflcrtion ) 
t<2^/rt^'Se^e"^'^'"'^by the names of Policigue, faying that 

theirwifedomc isbuc carnali, and favou- 
ring of mans braine, Solikewilcif a Prea- 
cher preach with care and meditation (I 
^.^^?^w^Vj^^/^/C-/':^«^{pg^j^gj^QjQfj{^gy^jp Scholafticall forme 

* and manner or prcacning ) butioundlym- 

* deed, ordering the matter he handlcch di- 
ftindly, and drawech it downefrom au- 
thorifing of it byilrong proofesand war- 
rents : they cenlurc it as a forme of prea- 
cjiinj^not becoming the iimpTicity of the 
Gofpchand referre it ^ the rcprchenfion 
of5aint Paul fpeakingof ihe ijuifing focech 
*>',/•. //a / Qfmanswifedome, Now for their owne 
fUvttv/ manneror preaching, what IS It? Surely 

thcj[ttchortwell , andvvorkc compudion 
of mindc , andbring meawdlfo theque- 
itionj Virifratres quid a^^m if^ • but that is 


rioienbugh)Cxccpttbcyrcrolvc thJi qiicftU' hi^ ^/U^^W U.y.h 
on. They handle matters ofcontroverfics ^<^^<*-"'«^^ 
weakly atid ohiur^ and as before a people 
that will accept ofany thing in doctrine or 
manners : there is little but generality and 
repetition. They move the bread of lire,an d 
tofle it up and downe, they brcake it not : 
They draw not their dirc^ions dowijc ai 
r4/W conJcientU^that a man may be vvarran- 
cealn his particular adions whether they be 
lawfull or not j neither indeed are they able 
to doe it, what through want of grounded 
knowledge, what through want of ftudy 
and tim«. It is an eafie thing (p call for db- 
fcrvationof the Sabbath day, and to fpeake 
againfl: unlawfuU gaine : but whac^dions 
and workes may be done upon the Sabbath 
day,and in what cafe$ • and what ccuxfcs of 
^aine are lawfull, and what not ; to (tt this 
downe, and to clcarefo the whole matter , • 

with good diftindions and decifions, is a 
matter of great knowledge and labour, and 
asketh much nfteditation and qonverlation 
in the Scriptures and other helpes^ vrhich 
God bath provided 6c pielervcd fonnfiru* 

G ^ aion 

i.s^^/.^u ^U^ <^on. They carry not eqriall hand in teach-- 
u^h iJ^ iLr i'.^/'^^' che^coplc their lawful 1 liberties as well 
as th^ir r^^rainr^ and pruhibirioni. But 
ihcy thinkc a manj a nnoc j^oe too fatrc in 
Ijge^inj; a cornmaajcmenFj. thgrjorgct 
'thattiKToare finaeion jjiejtighc hand as 
vvelUs on tEe TcIfT^nd thaTihelword is 
double edgci, and curtail on boch fides, as 
well the fupetftitiousoWe as the 

£ro&netranfgreirioni. Who doubtcth but 
k is as uniawFulitoihur where God hach o- 
pencd, as to open where God hath fliut? to 
Uinde where God hath loofcd, andtoloofe 
where God hath bound ? Amongft men it 
is as ill taken tomrnc backefavours, as to 
dirobcy commandenients. In this kindeof 
zeaic (for cxamplej they have pronounced 
generally and without difference all untruth 
is unla\A^ull, notwithftanding tbatthc Mid- 
wives have been reported to bavcVcei) bleP 
ied in their excu(e,and!^£^4insfaid by faith 
• to have concealed the fpies. Farther,! heard 
fonieScrmons of mortification, which (I 
think) with very good meaning"they have 
Pj[e|chcdoutof t^ experience and 


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cxcrcifc ; and things in private counfell not 
unmcet,but lurely nofoundconccits : much 
like to Par Jons his I^foJur[ons ^^ oFno^ 
good/ather apt to breed in men weakopini* 
onsjand perplexed dcfpaires, then hiiali aiid 
true repentance which is fought. Another ^v hhU^ ^^. l c^jii^ ^ U 
pointof great inconvenience and pcnlijisto ^^-*^^^^*> v^Artu^^v^^ 
inticethepeopletohcareconciOYcrfieSjand ' 
all manner of dodiinc: rhcyiayno pare of 
the counrell of God is to bee fuppreffed, ^nor 
the people defrauded. So as the dfference 
which the Apoftlc maketh between niilkc 
and ftrong meats, is confounded j and his 
precept that the weake bee no: admitted to 
queftions & controverfie$,taketh no place. 
But.moftofallitis to befufpe^cdasafced 
of further inconvenience for manner of 
handling; the Scriptures: for while they leek % ^H<lu-.yfr.^^^^*^f', 
exprefle Scripture for everything j and that f^Jl ^^fXi*.*»v^^^'^ 
they have in a manner deprived thcmleivcs ' 
and the Church of a fpeciall hclpc, and fup- 
port by embracing the authority of Fathers, 
they rcfort to naked examples, conceited in- 
ferences and forced alluHons, fuchas doe 
bring ruinc to all certainty of Religions 

Q % Ano- 

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.^ ,^u^^ ^^^4 > Another extremity is that cxccfli vc magni- 
v^/^'-v^*^^ f^iagofthat, whichtbough iebcapriDci- 
galland holy inditurioo, yet hith limitet as 
ail things el(c have. We fee (in a naanner ) 
wherefocvcr they find in the Scriptures the 
word fpokcn of, they expound it of prea- 
ching* They havemadeit almoftof the 
EfTence of the facramcnt of the Lords fup- 
peMo have a fcrmon ptKcJcnt; They 
hayeTfn manner) annihilated liturgies and 
foraiex of divine fcrvice. As for the life of 
the good Mpnkcs and eremites of the Pri- 
mitive Cbutch , i know they will con- 
deainc a man as halfe a Papift , if he fliould 
maintainethcmas other, then prophaoe, 
bccaufc fhey beard no preaching. In the 
meane time % what preaching is ^ and who 
may be faid to preach, they naakcnoquc- 
ftioi>. Butas farreas I fee every man that 
fpcakcth in^chairejs counted a preacher. 
But \ am arfured , that~not a fevv that call 
wholly for a preaching minifleriei dcfervc 
to be of the firft themfclvcs , that (honld be 
Gcpelled, Thcfi and fomc other errors and 
nSproccedings , they doc fortifie and ia- 


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by being (o greatly addided to their cpin^ 
onSy and impatient to faeare contradidioa 
or argument. Yea I know fomc of them, 
that would thinke it a tempting of God te> 
heare or read what may be laid againft 
then. As if there could be a §}uodbonam 
i^eneti^ without an Omncprohate going be- 
fore. This may (nfBcc to offer uacothcnw 
felvcs a view and confidcration whcchci: 
ihey do well or no, & to corred & aflwagc 
the. pattiallity of their followers and de- 
pendents. For as for any man that (ball 
hereby enter incoa contempt of ch^irMi- 
niftcry, ic is but his owne hardnelTc of 
heart. I know the word of exhortation 
doth chiefly reft upon thcfcmen, and they 
have zeale and hare of finnc. But againe 
let them take heed that it be not true which 
one of their adverfarics faith againft them , ^ 

that they have but two Inaall ^^nts jV^^^,^,,,^^^ 
knowled|c, and love. And fo l con-^ 
cludethc fourth part. ^ ^ 

The I3ft point teaching the i^c ^Mi^fS^tf^Xf^ 
filing, and debating of »hcfc controveifies, (J^^^v^ cf- $»tA*Jfc»> 
necdcthnoiong fpeech. this ftcangeabofe "- 

*"' - G) "' "■' of 

i-C^ln^*^ '-'^ 

of Antiques and Pafqails hath been tou- 
ched before. So likewife I repent not that 
which I faid before) that a charadcr of love 
/^^^^^^c/;>.^y^'is more proper for debates of this nature, 
'^dtj^'^ ^'^ i'V-'t^^then that of zeale. As for all dired and 
i^idireftglaunces or levels of mens perfbns, 
they were ever in thefc cafes difallowcd. 
i^t^^ ^-^^^^^/Laftly, whatfocver is pretended, the people 
'^ '*f''% i$no meet judge or arbitrator; Ibut rather 

.1 the moderate^ quief> and private aflcmblies 

6t of the learned. §}uj, apud in capace loquitur 
cc nondifceptat^fedcalumniamr* The Prefle 
6c Pulpit would be morefrecd and difcbar- 
ged : neither promotion on theonc fide, 
nor glory and heat on the other , ought to 
?tcu,li (yia^^^ continue the(e chalen^es a t the Croflc^ 

and fuch places. But rather all PrcacheTs 
cfpecially fuch as arc of a good temper,and 
have wifedome , with confcience oughc (o 
inculcate and beat upon a place, peace , iu 
'lence , and fuiFerance, Neither let them 
fcare So/owx law which compelled in fadi- 
ons^ every particular perlon to range him- 
fclfc on the one fide, or the other: nor the 
fondcalumnic of neutrality. But let thcar 
_ —.^ ^ know 

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that it was trtre which wa s faid by a wife ^'^^ ^ G^ ^ <^ 
man,that neuters in contention were better ^'^*''^'^"''^^ 
GrworfCjthcn cither fide. 

Thcle chines have I in all fyncerity and 
fimplicity, fa downc touching the contro- 
verfiei which now trouble the (Church of 
England, and that without all art or infi- 
nuation : andthcrcforc not likcj^to be gratc- 
fuH-eo cither £art. Notwithftanding ItruiS 
©vhar harh been faid,lhall findc acorrefpon- 
denceinfheirminde , who are not embar- 
ked with partiality , and which love the 
whole better then the pare, Whereby I am 
not out of hope that ii may doc good .Ac 
leaft 1 (hall not repent my (clfe of the medi - 



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